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	<title>Comments on: Alex Iskold writes about the end of paper and I comment</title>
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		<title>By: Why print will survive the digital era &#124; social media and green horses</title>
		<link>http://broadcasting-brain.com/2008/03/08/alex-iskold-writes-about-the-end-of-paper-and-i-comment/comment-page-1/#comment-1537</link>
		<dc:creator>Why print will survive the digital era &#124; social media and green horses</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 11:08:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] disagree here with Mark Dykeman, since I don&#8217;t see paper dying, even if we [...]</description>
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		<title>By: brainadmin</title>
		<link>http://broadcasting-brain.com/2008/03/08/alex-iskold-writes-about-the-end-of-paper-and-i-comment/comment-page-1/#comment-1374</link>
		<dc:creator>brainadmin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2008 00:59:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Skellie - Hello!  One of my computer science classes from university taught that data was raw facts and knowledge, while information was data given meaning.

Interestingly (and perhaps appropriately), the Wikipedia entry on &quot;information as records&quot; says the following:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Records are a specialized form of information. Essentially, records are information produced consciously or as by-products of business activities or transactions and retained because of their value. Primarily their value is as evidence of the activities of the organization but they may also be retained for their informational value. Sound records management ensures that the integrity of records is preserved for as long as they are required.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

As far as Alex&#039;s article, I think that&#039;s the kind of information that&#039;s being discussed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Skellie &#8211; Hello!  One of my computer science classes from university taught that data was raw facts and knowledge, while information was data given meaning.</p>
<p>Interestingly (and perhaps appropriately), the Wikipedia entry on &#8220;information as records&#8221; says the following:</p>
<blockquote><p>Records are a specialized form of information. Essentially, records are information produced consciously or as by-products of business activities or transactions and retained because of their value. Primarily their value is as evidence of the activities of the organization but they may also be retained for their informational value. Sound records management ensures that the integrity of records is preserved for as long as they are required.</p></blockquote>
<p>As far as Alex&#8217;s article, I think that&#8217;s the kind of information that&#8217;s being discussed.</p>
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		<title>By: Skellie</title>
		<link>http://broadcasting-brain.com/2008/03/08/alex-iskold-writes-about-the-end-of-paper-and-i-comment/comment-page-1/#comment-1372</link>
		<dc:creator>Skellie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 23:30:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The debate begs one important question first: what is information, and what is not?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The debate begs one important question first: what is information, and what is not?</p>
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		<title>By: brainadmin</title>
		<link>http://broadcasting-brain.com/2008/03/08/alex-iskold-writes-about-the-end-of-paper-and-i-comment/comment-page-1/#comment-1371</link>
		<dc:creator>brainadmin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 19:21:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Steve S - the thing is, I do strongly agree with one of Alex&#039;s main points:  receipts should definitely go digital - they are a royal nuisance.  Things like pay stubs, too - a number of employers offer on-line versions of these documents and don&#039;t give out paper anymore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Steve S &#8211; the thing is, I do strongly agree with one of Alex&#8217;s main points:  receipts should definitely go digital &#8211; they are a royal nuisance.  Things like pay stubs, too &#8211; a number of employers offer on-line versions of these documents and don&#8217;t give out paper anymore.</p>
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		<title>By: brainadmin</title>
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		<dc:creator>brainadmin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 19:20:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Michael - you bring a good insight to this conversation...  just imagine if we had been storing important documents in a proprietary or little used format (say Commodore Amiga, the old Apple II or something similar) and someday needed to get them back.  In fact, if paper wasn&#039;t succeptible to heat or water damage, plus potential fading over time, it might be much better than we think, although microfilm had a bit of an edge for durability.  But that also brings another question:  what about saving documents as images or a semi-universal &quot;read&quot; format (e.g. Adobe document format)?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Michael &#8211; you bring a good insight to this conversation&#8230;  just imagine if we had been storing important documents in a proprietary or little used format (say Commodore Amiga, the old Apple II or something similar) and someday needed to get them back.  In fact, if paper wasn&#8217;t succeptible to heat or water damage, plus potential fading over time, it might be much better than we think, although microfilm had a bit of an edge for durability.  But that also brings another question:  what about saving documents as images or a semi-universal &#8220;read&#8221; format (e.g. Adobe document format)?</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Spalding</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Spalding</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 18:09:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Honestly, I think that you are right about the barriers.

I have a few mobile devices, and I have even seen the Kindle and Sony Reader in action. I still can&#039;t see myself moving my entire library to digital. 

Eventually, the use of paper will be greatly reduced, if only to decrease our affect on the environment. However, there will always be a market for physical media like novels.
 
People are not only more comfortable with it but there is secondary industries (book resale, first editions etc . . .) that could not exist without them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honestly, I think that you are right about the barriers.</p>
<p>I have a few mobile devices, and I have even seen the Kindle and Sony Reader in action. I still can&#8217;t see myself moving my entire library to digital. </p>
<p>Eventually, the use of paper will be greatly reduced, if only to decrease our affect on the environment. However, there will always be a market for physical media like novels.</p>
<p>People are not only more comfortable with it but there is secondary industries (book resale, first editions etc . . .) that could not exist without them.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Rawdon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Rawdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 18:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paper still has one huge advantage over digital media: Most things written on paper are encoded in a well-known, long-used format.  Which is to say, most things written on paper are in languages still in common use (and unlikely to go away anytime soon) using glyphs usually in even more widespread use (because multiple languages share alphabets).  They&#039;re also on relatively durable media.

Why is this an advantage?  Preservation!  For example, literate English-language speakers can pick up and read documents from the past 600 (or so) years and still understand them.  And older languages can often be deciphered as well.  And parchment and paper have proven to be able to last for decades-to-centuries, depending on the care taken.

What about digital media?  Digital media are encoded - more literally - in multiple ways: File systems are formatted according to certain conventions.  Files are written with certain structures.  Text is encoded into a digital format, typically (these days) ASCII.  Text is also &quot;marked up&quot; in a variety of ways.

But while many of these formats seem &quot;standard&quot;, the fact is that most of these standards are only a decade or two old - if that.  ASCII has been around for my lifespan, but HTML and PDF have been around for a much shorter span.  Both Apple and Microsoft have introduced new filesystems since 1990, and that typically means that old filesystems cease to become supported.

Consequently, as old hardware falls into disuse, files in these old formats cease to become readable unless someone makes the effort to transition them to new formats.  And &lt;i&gt;that&lt;/i&gt; means that documents are lost.

Throw in issues such as physical media decay (digital media tend to decay much faster than paper) and how the DRM question will play out (DRM often prevents people from making copies of items they&#039;ve purchased, which means they &lt;i&gt;can&#039;t&lt;/i&gt; transition their files to newer formats to sidestep obsolescence; not to mention that it makes lending a lot more difficult) and I think there are many reasons to see the death of paper as less than imminent.

The kicker is that paper tends to stay preserved simply by putting it somewhere where it won&#039;t decay.  Preserving digital data requires ongoing effort.

Most of the content which has aggressively transitioned to digital is timely or transient content: Most people don&#039;t care about preserving news, or blogs, or whatever.  (Should they?  That&#039;s a good question in and of itself.)  They want to get their daily fix, and then they rarely go back to it.

The interesting thing about this point is that it won&#039;t necessarily inhibit the end of paper, but it might lead to a lot of data loss in the next few decades until people perceive the problem (and decide to do something systematic and organized to fix it).

My book collection may take up a lot of space, but I know I&#039;ll be able to enjoy it for the rest of my life, at only the expense of moving it when I move.  I can&#039;t honestly say that I know the same thing about digital content.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paper still has one huge advantage over digital media: Most things written on paper are encoded in a well-known, long-used format.  Which is to say, most things written on paper are in languages still in common use (and unlikely to go away anytime soon) using glyphs usually in even more widespread use (because multiple languages share alphabets).  They&#8217;re also on relatively durable media.</p>
<p>Why is this an advantage?  Preservation!  For example, literate English-language speakers can pick up and read documents from the past 600 (or so) years and still understand them.  And older languages can often be deciphered as well.  And parchment and paper have proven to be able to last for decades-to-centuries, depending on the care taken.</p>
<p>What about digital media?  Digital media are encoded &#8211; more literally &#8211; in multiple ways: File systems are formatted according to certain conventions.  Files are written with certain structures.  Text is encoded into a digital format, typically (these days) ASCII.  Text is also &#8220;marked up&#8221; in a variety of ways.</p>
<p>But while many of these formats seem &#8220;standard&#8221;, the fact is that most of these standards are only a decade or two old &#8211; if that.  ASCII has been around for my lifespan, but HTML and PDF have been around for a much shorter span.  Both Apple and Microsoft have introduced new filesystems since 1990, and that typically means that old filesystems cease to become supported.</p>
<p>Consequently, as old hardware falls into disuse, files in these old formats cease to become readable unless someone makes the effort to transition them to new formats.  And <i>that</i> means that documents are lost.</p>
<p>Throw in issues such as physical media decay (digital media tend to decay much faster than paper) and how the DRM question will play out (DRM often prevents people from making copies of items they&#8217;ve purchased, which means they <i>can&#8217;t</i> transition their files to newer formats to sidestep obsolescence; not to mention that it makes lending a lot more difficult) and I think there are many reasons to see the death of paper as less than imminent.</p>
<p>The kicker is that paper tends to stay preserved simply by putting it somewhere where it won&#8217;t decay.  Preserving digital data requires ongoing effort.</p>
<p>Most of the content which has aggressively transitioned to digital is timely or transient content: Most people don&#8217;t care about preserving news, or blogs, or whatever.  (Should they?  That&#8217;s a good question in and of itself.)  They want to get their daily fix, and then they rarely go back to it.</p>
<p>The interesting thing about this point is that it won&#8217;t necessarily inhibit the end of paper, but it might lead to a lot of data loss in the next few decades until people perceive the problem (and decide to do something systematic and organized to fix it).</p>
<p>My book collection may take up a lot of space, but I know I&#8217;ll be able to enjoy it for the rest of my life, at only the expense of moving it when I move.  I can&#8217;t honestly say that I know the same thing about digital content.</p>
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		<title>By: brainadmin</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 18:02:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@robojiannis - There&#039;s also a big issue of trust that would have to be addressed in order for paper to disappear completely.  I can&#039;t imagine the legal (or legislative) system of any country converting to a paperless environment in any hurry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@robojiannis &#8211; There&#8217;s also a big issue of trust that would have to be addressed in order for paper to disappear completely.  I can&#8217;t imagine the legal (or legislative) system of any country converting to a paperless environment in any hurry.</p>
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		<title>By: robojiannis</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 17:49:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also read Alex&#039;s article. A provocative idea, certainly. But as you said, I can hardly imagine seeing paper replaced by electronics. But hey, just a couple futurama episodes and I can&#039;t exclude the option.

Paper at the moment, is too cheap and too versatile to be replaced. We are far, far away from such a scenario.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also read Alex&#8217;s article. A provocative idea, certainly. But as you said, I can hardly imagine seeing paper replaced by electronics. But hey, just a couple futurama episodes and I can&#8217;t exclude the option.</p>
<p>Paper at the moment, is too cheap and too versatile to be replaced. We are far, far away from such a scenario.</p>
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